Hello Cabled,

no, that's definitely not the road forward.:(

We (you and I) must be doing something differently when it comes to fitting shoes.
Most shoes I use with SASHA fit quite well with a few tweaks. However I noticed that some shoes do cause problems, especially high heeled ones which were modeled for the pre-bent foot and/or need a special "foot" pose.
Also non-matching end points and odd toe settings can cause a shoe model to "curl up in a knot" like you observed.

Could you post a list of the shoes which cause this anomaly?

Also, please look in the "Karina's Toolbox" folder "Feet Presets":
Ignore the shoes you don't know - many of them are my own creations.
Try the shoes you do recognize and own: do they cause the same problems?

What also would be interesting to know:

• Does this happen with SASHA standard (as she loads when initialized), or are there any "character" injections involved (which could include odd legs and feet scaling)?
• Is the figure height set to the default (==192.00 cm)?
• Do you just conform the shoes to SASHA or do you also PARENT the shoe figure to SASHA?

Ha!

Thank you for the update my friend!

I've been experimenting with all kinds of shoes this past weekend and (with a few exceptions) experienced almost the same as you:

Most shoes worked out of the box except the Al3D ones. I ran into problems with them before, but got it fixed mostly by "bending" the shoes to make them fit the feet. However it never went without some serious tweaking of dials, scales, and adding a few "fit" custom morphs.
In some cases (like Al3D's "Trendy Sandals") I just resorted to spawning props which I parent to the feet. Works better than any conforming solution, but of course it only works if the shoes are restricted to the feet alone, omitting the ankle joint.

There must (have been) something in Al3D's workflow which caused this f-up.
You wrote about a "change in V4's foot V4's foot geometry at one point that wrecked some old shoes".
Do you still remember where you read this (link?). It would be interesting reading for me.

AFAIK the "geometry" didn't change between V4.0 and V4.2, but the "default" pose for legs and feet did change, now involving thigh and foot twisting, and a new foot default bend. That change did cause a lot of troubles with shoes which were made with the old defaults.

You can try it for yourself:
Load V4 (the DAZ default) from your library and check the legs/feet pose against a truely zeroed V4 (like SASHA is):
You'lll notice that the thighs are twisted and slightly bent, the shins are slightly bent too, and the feet are bent upwards so the foot rests flat on the floor.
Because these are also the "default" values in the DAZ V4 .cr2 files, I guess this was the trap that many creators of shoes ran into: Different default leg/foot poses!


If you find out anything else, please let me know here; it might help to solve the "Poser Shoes Mystery" which (as I found out) is frequently discussed at the usual 3D forums.

Thank you again for our help!

Karina

Hello Cabled,

this is still on my agenda, so please don't think I abandoned it because it took me some time to reply.
I'm still investigating.

As far as I learned hitherto it all depends on to which foot pose a shoe was modeled and rigged.
The right way seems to be to model the shoe around the straight foot and then add the bending to conformm it to the figure's feet when the feet are posed. Works quite well for straight feet, but not for "trip-toe" poses with high heels.

The final goal thus is to figure out a way to adapt those kind of shoes to V4 (or any other figure) without too much effort and trial and fail.
In a lot of my characters shoes play a vital part so it's logical that shoes which fit immediately are important.

Consider this as a WIP - I'll keep you informed on every bit I find out about any "footage" I come across.

I hardly can get used to the thought that my girls have to walk the wintery streets of Kiev barefoot!

Karina

Thank you for bringing this back - I completely forgot about this because I was fiddling around with other things.

Unfortunately I don't have those shoes, so I can't say anything about the rig myself.
Do those shoes have individual toe actors? Because, as much as I remember, I had some severe difficulties especially when HighHeels had posable (i.e. bendable) toes.

Your suggestion about how to port the rigging over might work.

For those who don't know how to convert a figure to a prop:

There's a script by D3D (Ralph Sesseler) which works pretty well.

http://d3d.sesseler.de/index.php?softwar...uct=figure2prop

Leave everything at default, but be aware that:
With the default settings it doesn't keep the polygon groupings, so you must define the groups by yourself before you proceed (I strongly suggest to do the grouping by yourself, because Poser's "Auto Grouping" can be a bit wonky at times)

So (if you have any) you should

• tick "Use Original Geometry".