First off Thank you for SASHA and breathing new life into Poser. I enjoy the options and the ease that Poser provides and since I have been investing in mainly V4, having to switch to DAZ to utilize the new Genesis models did not sit well with me. You are amazing and I greatly appreciate your hard work.

I'm having a bit of an issue and have not see any else bring it up yet...which makes me think I'm probably doing something wrong. Whenever I use the "copy joint centres" tool it normally works pretty well with only minor tweaking needed. However, when I apply it to any article with long sleeves or that conforms on the upper arm (labeled the left and right shoulder on V4) a strange thing happens. While V4 is in the T pose everything appears like it worked fine, but once her arms are raised or lowered a few vertices of the object seem to be stuck causing the object to leave a trail behind from that point as it moves with the arm. Hopefully, these images go through and you can kind of see what I'm talking about with these armbands. I've tried to just morph the problem away but it is frustrating to have to do it every time I move her arms up or down.


https://sta.sh/0fhj113aufk

https://sta.sh/01fvjwva6315

Do you know what is causing this? Can you please help?

Thank you
Norm

EDITED 21-03-18 by Karina:
Image links fixed

i can't see your images, but you need to go in menu figure and use Copy Joint Zones from ... in order to copy weightmap on your cloth, that will resolve the problem.

Zitat von Karina

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Here's how you can fix this issue without copying or editing weight maps:

• Move the joint in question until the error occurs and is most noticeable.
• Now open the "Joint Editor" (Poser Menu "Window")
• Select the *clothing item*(!) and in the Joint Editor window select the rotation which causes trouble (from drop-down list top left)
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  Now select the "innerMatSphere" either from Poser's "Props" list in the Parameters Pallette, or if you can see it select the *green* sphere in the preview window. Whatever works for you.
  You should see the parameters for "innerMatSphere" now.
• Start to increase (one by one) the "Scale" of the sphere until the problem is gone. When all looks good add a few extra percent to the scale for a little leeway, and you should be good too.
• Repeat that for the other bendings that eventually cause problems.
  When done, simply mirror the symmetry to the other side.

Reads like very complicated, but it isn't: After your first try you'll find that it's dead easy.

Good luck!

Karina

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Karina, does this method works well in the crotch zone ? (i'm very bad in joints/weight maps things). Most of the time i don't transfer weight map and i play with morph tool to adapt panties in this region because i don't know how to modify the transferred weight map to adapt it correctly.
Btw, do you plan to add an adapted weightmap ".pz2" (ie as you did for the joint centers) to paste on the panties for this region in your SR1 ?

Thank you both so much. Barzing's fix worked for my needs but I learned a lot from following your directions. I've been a Poser user for about 3 years but admittedly haven't used it to it's full potential. Going into the Joint Editor and playing with it has opened a whole new realm of possibilities that I'm excited to toy with. Thank you again for all your help and re-editing my message in order for those links to work

Zitat von Karina

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however it sometimes won't work either, especially when some of the clothing vertices are too far away from the figure to be calculated correctly by the algorithm (which is the reason for the "spikes").
Thus due to slight differences in the rigging not all of the vertices are included in a bend.

In almost all cases the clothing still is rigged by the traditional "sphere" zones, and often it is desirable to keep those instead of using full-blown weight maps.

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I just ran into an example of this problem in the process of transferring a character to a fresh S-16 base (which involves loading the original versions of the character's clothes rather than the customized versions I saved with the previous character). I already know how to solve it using the method Karina describes (which I think I originally learned from EvilInnocence), but I grabbed a "before" render to share here as an illustration.

The blouse is from V4's Nerd v. Preppy outfit, and the problem happens when the figure's arms are rotated down. So I used the Joint Editor to access the innerMatSphere on the shirt's shoulders and increased the yScale and zScale, which solved the problem. Then I saved the blouse to the library with a file name that reflects that it has the S-16 joint centers AND modified shoulder joints, so I don't forget.

Which does bring up a related question: if I forgot to add the S-16 joint centers info to a clothing item file name, is there any way to figure out if I actually applied the "copy S-16 joint zones" pose to the clothing item, or does it not matter if I end up applying it a second time?